wheist9095 wrote:

who'd be dead? the spectral human would still be alive, and the spirit would still be in their tool. unless it was isaac, who found a compatible spirit before it tooled up. its just a matter of compatibility, not destiny. i think.

I don't think I am explaining this well. A spectral is two parts, His physical self and his ghost. Both parts are one and the same person. Think of Danny Phantom, He's human and a ghost, 2 parts balancing both worlds. They don't need a tool or a be a medium to effect both worlds because they are in both worlds. Separate the ghost and the person is no longer a spectral and I don't think you can survive the process.

A medium has an unwanted third party, his spirit. A tool is always in the item feeding off like a parasite. These types can be removed with no ill effect as they are essentially foreign objects. They are indeed treated as separate beings and I'm pretty sure the the sphinx and the whale are not reacting to these guys.

I think the whale and sphinx are reacting to the fact that they can see and effect the ghost world, Spectrals are rare so they automatically assume that they are ghosts first.

I just have a feeling that we keep misunderstanding each other

Defining a spectral as a human + ghost. While that's an interesting way to conceptualize spectrals, I don't think it's a helpful model for explaining spectrals, and it has the potential to be confusing, seen above. And if all you're trying to do is tack spectral energy onto a human, I don't know if that's the simplest way to explain it.

All we really know is that spirits can identify other paranatural creatures on-sight, including spirits, ghosts, and spectrals. We're not sure how (maybe through spectral energy?) Spectrals are relatively rare, so most spirits will assume a human-shaped paranatural creature to be a ghost, rather than a spectral. But (extrapolating from sphinx) they can identify spectrals as being alive through other factors (perhaps body heat or having a heartbeat.)

I don't think that if the tool or spirit is removed the human would lose all of their spectral energy. since max started seeing the spirits before he found his tool. and since the spirit partner feeds off the energy produced by the human. plus it said that the spirit would feed off the humans energy until it had like replenished its powers. so then the spirit may be able to separate from the human or the tool. which i think over a long enough period of time someone may be able to have multiple spiritual partners.

Also, i found some info in the comic on the subject, and i do not know how to do the linky thing so, on page like 64 or 65 of chapter one it states that "not many people are gifted with the ability to see spectrals, and even fewer are gifted with the tools". so humans may not necessarily need a spirit to be a spectral at all.

It's pretty well established that spectrals have innate powers, outside of those granted by possession or tools. The finger blasts seen often, as well as the bubble shield Isabel used while fighting the ghost-eater are both innate spectral powers.

Eragon was suggesting that a spectral was really a human and their ghost in the same place. For example, Max being a spectral can be explained by his human body on top of his ghost, giving him both a physical as well as paranatural presence. That has nothing to do with acquiring a tool or becoming a medium. I'm going to suggest we drop that idea because it's clearly too confusing to be used in this audience, and not useful enough to justify its use.

wheist9095 wrote:

I don't think that if the tool or spirit is removed the human would lose all of their spectral energy. since max started seeing the spirits before he found his tool. and since the spirit partner feeds off the energy produced by the human. plus it said that the spirit would feed off the humans energy until it had like replenished its powers. so then the spirit may be able to separate from the human or the tool. which i think over a long enough period of time someone may be able to have multiple spiritual partners.

wheist9095 wrote:

Also, i found some info in the comic on the subject, and i do not know how to do the linky thing so, on page like 64 or 65 of chapter one it states that "not many people are gifted with the ability to see spectrals, and even fewer are gifted with the tools". so humans may not necessarily need a spirit to be a spectral at all.

This I exactly what I've been trying to convey. What I'm failing to say properly is that Without having a tool or being a medium their is another supernatural presence in a spectral's body, his own ghost.

What i'm trying to explain has nothing to do with a spectral's tool or, in case of a medium, the spirit possessing them.

Eragon5055 wrote:

This I exactly what I've been trying to convey. What I'm failing to say properly is that Without having a tool or being a medium their is another supernatural presence in a spectral's body, his own ghost.

Ghosts receive powers upon death, such as Chapter 1 Page 40's Old Guy Ghost, who has butterfly powers.

Spectrals haven't been shown to have any such powers on their own. Their only ability is the generic exertion of spectral energy, such as the finger gun that Ed uses here as well as Isabel's spectrally-charged kick and bubble shield. Don't forget Isaac's spectral fist.

None of these are the spectral abilities that are exhibited by spirits and ghosts. The fact that no spectral has had their own ability seems to point to the fact that spectrals aren't humans inhabited by their own ghosts, but something distinct or more complicated.

Maybe ghosts gain powers when they are separated from their human bodies, and since spectrals are only halfway there they get generic powers?
In any case, it could be argued that a person's ghost, or basically their soul, lives inside of them from the day their born until the day they died. My theory: At the risk of sounding cliche, you could say that spectrals have awakened their own ghosts; and thus also the ability to affect the spiritual plane. However, since they have not yet fully left the physical plane, they are unable to wield the unique abilities granted to every permanent resident of the spiritual plane.

NEW PAGE GUYS!!!

Man, I like Isaac's spirit. He's a cool guy.

Also, these are my favorite panels from the new page.



Edit:
AHAHA YUP. I LIKE THIS GUY A LOT.

If that's canon, then he must be a blast at parties!

OH YOU!

Man, this spirit interaction is great.

Wonder what Ed and Isabel's look like.

I bet Ed's will be skinny and hilarious and Isabel's will be elegant with a crazy dragon mouth like her paper horse.

There was a super small version of of what they're spirits generally look like in the page that Zack talks about posters. Impossible to tell who is who but you can get a generic idea

which page is that?

wheist9095 wrote:

which page is that?

pretty sure it's one or two pages after he announced double updates and wallpapers. It's not very many pages back.

You can't really discern much though.

This Page http://paranatural.net/chapter-3-page-42/

You know, someone should really compile Zack's comment responses, He tends to give alot away.

I've had to go through comments three times already searching for zacks responses that I remember reading but don't remember where and they are a bitch to find. The whole spectral explination is in there and why ghosts have their unique abilities, it has to do with the trauma of their death.

So, I dunno why we've been calling him Montezeusma this whole time.

When there is a clear and blatantly better alternative in Sparky Sparky Boom God.

Ars Nova wrote:

So, I dunno why we've been calling him Montezeusma this whole time.

When there is a clear and blatantly better alternative in Sparky Sparky Boom God.

I prefer Blowhard.

I wonder if the spirits will ever fight. A Scrapdragon vs. Montezeusma battle would be amazing.

Better yet: A Scrapdragon-Montezeusma TEAM UP!

Mister Scrapdragon is at a severe disadvantage since his power controls metal that will just pass harmlessly through Blowhard/Montezuma/Zeus/D.J. Cumulus

Why is he a DJ all of a sudden? Not that I mind, but he seems dead set on the path of the comedian.